FOSS+beer 023: FOSS… trademarks!

FOSS and trademarks | Guest: Pam Chestek | FreeFileSync | 1950 Milliammeter | Crooked Stave Artisans beer


Crooked Stave

  • Taproom located at The Source in Denver’s North River District (aka Rino) with production at their location at 46th & Pecos (used to have taproom there too) focus on sour beer
  • Started in 2011, brewing at Funkwerks, then relocated brewing to Denver at Prost, then its own 20-barrel house
  • They have their own distribution company: Crooked Stave Artisans Distribution and distribute other cool beers as well (not just from Colorado), nationwide. Our guest, Pam, found them in North Carolina; said they are slowly growing, so keep an eye out in your area!


Guest: Pam Chestek, (@ 7′ in)

  • Read about Pam and her law firm, Chestek Legal and her blog, Property, Intangible
  • Pam’s geek story began with a scoring program as the bowling secretary…
  • Pam helped create which is a website providing practical advice on trademarks for free software developers and FOSS projects. Project was a collaborative project itself among trademark lawyers who work in free software representing US and Europe perspectives.
  • FOSS presents the challenge of balancing sharing with legal interests of protecting the mark.
  • What do you have to do as a trademark owner? What do you have to consider when it comes to consumer confusion? How do you choose a name? (Jilayne may have gotten her name this way.) See for answer to these questions and more! (but not the part about how Jilayne got her name)
  • Theory behind trademark law is consumer protection – different than copyright and patent, but these concepts get confused
  • Also check out the Model Trademark Guidelines for free software communities



  • Huge shout-out and thanks to Chris, a lawyer in Toronto for his very nice email wishing Mark well

Nerd & Tell:

Milliammeter (@ 49:42 in)

  • Calibrated last in 1950 and from the Sensitive Research Instrument company out of Mt Vernon, NY
  • Mark needs to figure out something cool to do with this piece of wood
  • Segue into Commodore trademark history and the other usual random stuff…

Tech Tip:

FreeFileSync (@ 1:01:45 in)

  • What is it/what does it do? Intelligently backs up/synchronizes files and folders as per your demands
  • Under what license? GPL-3.0
  • Who might use it? Anyone who wants to back up files… Even has translations of documentation in a tablet-full-screen of languages
  • What does Boups think of it? Love it. Mark gives it two thumbs up

Beer (again):

Crooked Stave (@ 1:07:45)

  • Colorado Wild Sage – brett saison, brewed with white sage and lemongrass, 7.2% ABV
  • Progenitor – dry hopped golden sour ale, ancestral form from which others are derived, 6.2% ABV
  • Vielle artisanal saison, artisanal ale aged in oak barrels, 4.2% ABV
  • Select #1 IPA – only beer available in growler to go (at this point in time)
  • Petite Sour Blueberry – mixed fermentation ale aged in oak with blueberries, 5.3% ABV
  • Motif Reserva – mixed fermentation Beligian-style dark ale aged in Leopold Brothers whiskey barrels, but a really strong sour
  • Pam makes everyone jealous with the fact that she has 4 breweries within blocks from her house

Note: while you may not be able to tell, we experienced some technical sound difficulties during the recording of this podcast, so huge thanks to our guest for being so patient!

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FOSS+beer 022: MAD Miracle

A MAD story | NPM Kik left-pad issue | (open source) security issues | Fort Collins Brewery


Fort Collins Brewery

But first, a wee bit of a story about last time we tried to record this episode…

  • Began as a German lager house in 2003; in 2007 added packing line; in 2011 added a tavern in the brewery (where we ate)
  • Family business in its second generation of ownership as of 2014
  • Recently have been moving to cans (from bottles previously)


NPM, Kik, and left-pad: module names and breaking the internet (@ 16:30 in)


“Recent” Open Source Security Items (@ 26:44 in)

Nerd & Tell:

Mark’s new hardware (@ 37:47 in)

  • Mark now has an implanted Medtronic SureScan MRI Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator
  • Boups has read the owner’s manual to make sure Mark hasn’t done anything contraindicated
  • Battery only lasts 4-7 years and starts beeping when it needs to be replaced
  • Data is getting sent off every night…(is this secure?)
  • Mark is still learning about the details of the device and do’s and don’ts, so he hasn’t asked for the source code (yet), but check out what Karen Sandler has to say on this topic

Beer (again):

Fort Collins Brewery (@ 1:02:30 in)

  • Shot Down Chocolate Stout (cans) – dark beer brewed with bittersweet chocolate 5.8% ABV
  • Red Banshee (cans) – a sessionable ruby red alt ale 5.3% ABV
  • Major Tom’s (cans) – wheat beer brewed with pomegranate and peppercorn 5.1% ABV
  • Far and Away (cans) – IPA 6.5% ABV
  • Malt Monsters – Benard Belgian style dubbel (bomber), 8.2% ABV – no longer brewing this one, grab it while you can!! Don’t drink it cold
  • American-style Barley Wine (bomber), 10.5% ABV – slightly sweet and excessive with a smooooth finish pair with some strong cheese
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FOSS+beer 021: Kraft Beer

Judges and Lawyers: FOSS Clueless? | craft, indie, kraft beer | Gantt Project | Fate Brewing

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FOSS+beer 020: Digital Citizenship

Open Source (Legal) Education? | iPad Pro | alternativeTO | Wonderland Brewing

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FOSS+beer 019: Advanced nerd and tell

OpenChain w/special guest: Dave Marr | beer trivia | Epic Brewing

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FOSS+beer 018: One step from a Kardashian reference

Linux FUD | Volkswagen software scandal | Funkwerks Brewing

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FOSS+beer 017: Two bits to see the bearded lady!

LinuxCon Europe | Odoo re-licensing debacle | Brewing tips from Boups | FOSSology | 4 Noses Brewing

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FOSS+beer 016: AtomicWedgy Tech

Managing Open Source Software | Cygwin | Google Cardboard | Finkel & Garf

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FOSS+beer 015: Awesome Chihuahua

Open Source Licenses for SaaS | Guru99 short Linux Tutorials | Raspberry Pi | Crystal Springs Brewing

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FOSS+beer 014.5: guests on Lawyer 2 Lawyer podcast!

FOSS+beer crew as guests on another podcast!

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